8: You Won't Fix Your Menopause Symptoms Unless You Do This Too

If you feel like you're going crazy...like, with midlife irritability that you know isn't "you", or even rage events that are nonsensical - this episode is for you.

A friend recently said to me, "I felt like I was going crazy...I literally felt like someone had taken over my brain. I wasn't acting like myself and I couldn't control it". 

This is the side of menopause that people joke about, "my mother is going crazy". It's actually a horrible, out-of-control feeling if you're going through it. And, a shameful kind of feeling.

Honestly, menopause is a reckoning. 

There is rage at the smallest injustice, grief for the empty nest, identity shifts, and existential questions that we're dealing with in addition to all the physical symptoms. 

And what's worse, if you don't deal with them, you won't get rid of your physical symptoms.

Body-focused medical systems we have in the Western world do not offer ANY support for the emotional symptoms of peri-menopause. In fact, they don't even acknowledge them.

So, we're going to bring these things to the light. Today, we're digging into the emotional and spiritual symptoms of midlife, that make it feel impossible to get through it with grace. 

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Transcript

@57:11 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

One of the things we're hearing right now from 40 plus year old women is that they feel like they're going crazy.

They don't feel like themselves, like they're getting teary eyed when they used to be emotionally so strong or they're snapping at their kids to actually feeling complete rage.

And many women don't talk about this part of menopause. And there isn't a lot of support for women who are feeling these types of symptoms.

They just figure they have to figure it out and just accept that the empty nest, the irritability, or feeling like life is just going too fast and it's passing them by.

And what if those symptoms aren't just problems to accept or fix? What if they're actually signals that are your soul's way of trying to get your attention?

In this episode, we're digging into how midlife isn't just a season of decline or loss. It's often a spiritual awakening in disguise.

And if you only focus on the surface symptoms, like the physical ones, you will end up feeling anxious about aging or like you're running out of time, doubting some of your past choices, or worrying about the future.

In today's episode, we are reframing this aspect of life. So tune in so you don't miss the bigger invitation, the chance to reinvent, reclaim, and rise.

So it's Jen here. Sheri's kind of an expert on this. She's done a lot of thinking and research around this.

So Sher, I am going to start by just, let's talk about what women might be experiencing that isn't necessarily the physical symptoms, but these other kind of more subtle things, sometimes subtle.

So let's, maybe we can list a bunch of them. Yeah.

@1:35:51 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Okay. All right. Welcome back. Hey, Sher. Hi. All right. I want to start this interview, I suppose, by asking you how you came to this thinking in the first place about these spiritual symptoms of menopause.

@1:36:14 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yes, so I came to a lot of my thinking as a result of not having kids. And when that happens, you're sort of forced to think about, well, what is this next half of my life going to look like if I am not filling it with kids and then grandkids and all the things that we expect life to look like?

And so when I started to question some of these things myself, I also started hearing them from the clients that I began working with as well.

So things like, what's my purpose now? Like, how am I going to find fulfillment if I don't have kids?

How am I going to, and we're going to get to the moms in a second, but these are the questions that really started to come up and I think maybe come up a little earlier because you're left to think about this.

Like you're kind of forced to review your life. All the expectations I had for my life are not happening.

So now I've got to figure out what's my life going to look like? How am I, what's my relationship going to look like?

With my, my partner, if I have a partner, my friends, my family. So you're really forced into this kind of an existential crisis when you don't have kids, especially if you wanted kids and didn't have them.

It might be different for those who chose not to have kids. So, and what I started to realize after a few years of, of working with women who didn't have kids was that the mothers felt the same way.

It's just that the symptoms showed up a little differently. And a little later, maybe.

@1:38:07 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Maybe a little later, too. Yeah.

@1:38:09 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Especially now with women having kids later, their kids are home. Like their kids are still teenagers and maybe at home or even younger when they're in their 40s.

Oh, that's me. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe you start to, you know, women are starting to question these things usually after the kids leave.

You've, it's the empty nest that kind of sparks it. So if that empty nest is happening when you're 50, because that's when your kids are leaving home, or for the women who don't have kids, it's happening.

Well, the nest is never filled. Right.

@1:38:45 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Sheri, want to, I want to say something before we get into that, because it's not, we know that it's not just the empty nest.

That there's a physiological reason why we sort of start feeling this existential crisis. Yes. If you want to call it that, awakening is the way we reframe it.

There are both like, there's all kinds of situational factors and there's physiological ones. And we're going to talk, we're not talking about the physiological ones today.

And we will talk about those in a future episode.

@1:39:18 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

No, I think what I meant by that, what I meant by that was that, and I suppose this is a theory for mothers who still have children at home in their forties, when they begin the physiological changes may kind of chalk it up to, I'm just busy.

I've got kids, like they're not, they don't stop to think about it until the kids are out of the house.

And of course, that's a generalization. I'm sure some women are thinking about it earlier. But it's, yeah, the children leaving the home.

or never coming in the first place are catalysts, right for the, yes.

@1:40:07 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Okay. So what are, let's, what are some of the things that our listeners might be experiencing? I think there's four or five of them.

Yeah.

@1:40:19 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Well, the first really kind of goes along these lines and it's feeling this, like who, it's an identity crisis really.

It's, it's who am I and what is my purpose when I either don't have kids or never had, or the kids are leaving the nest.

So it's a shifting identity between either wanting to be a mom or am a mom and, or yeah, a parent.

And then shifting to, okay, I'm no longer taking on this nurturing role. So. So where is my energy going to go now?

What is my future going to look like? How am I going to fill my time, even though we fill it, as you and I know, from all of the women whose children have left home, they fill it anyways.

And for me, we talked about that in the last episode. So I think that's one big thing, is really just struggling with what is my purpose?

What I going to fill my time with? What am I going to do beyond motherhood?

@1:41:38 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

And Sher, one of the reasons why I thought it was so important to do this episode is because it's so normalized, right?

Like the empty nest is such a common cliche that most women don't, they just sort of try to figure it out.

Yeah.

@1:41:57 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Instead of, and I don't think that.

@1:42:00 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Well, I know there isn't a lot of support out there for these kinds of perimenopausal symptoms, and they are related physiologically to perimenopause, and they're related to what's happening in your life at this time, which is the empty nest.

And you can get support for it, because most women are just kind of floundering around and trying to figure it out, and it doesn't have to be that way.

Yep.

@1:42:28 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah. I think one of the other things that I hear a lot of women talk about is living life on autopilot, and I think that's related.

So, yeah, especially busy, like if women are coming, our audience tends to be crazy busy midlife women, and they're coming to us because they're exhausted and they're burnt out.

@1:42:57 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

So, that's exactly what it's going to feel like. Like you're living, like that's what burnout is, living life on autopilot.

Yeah.

@1:43:05 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

That's one of the big symptoms is like you feel like you're just going through the motions. Yep.

@1:43:11 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

So when you get to midlife and you are constantly stressed out and overly busy, that's the way you're going to feel.

Yeah.

@1:43:19 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

And when you're living on autopilot, you're not living intentionally. You're not living with purpose. You're just going through the motions.

@1:43:29 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Yeah, which is why you suddenly go, am I in the right career? I hate what I'm doing. Why am I doing this?

Yeah.

@1:43:36 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah, that sort of restless feeling or that we, yeah, we're going to talk about that. That actually fits into another one that we're going to talk about as well.

So this one, just to sum up, this is really, it's a loss of purpose or direction that tends to be catalyzed by the empty nest.

Right.

@1:43:55 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

So let's talk about the desire then. listen. Just To reinvent yourself, it seems appropriate right now.

@1:44:03 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah. Yeah, and that's exactly what you were just talking about. It's questioning your career, maybe your marriage, your relationships.

It's a beginning of questioning everything that you're doing. Maybe not everything, but some of the things that have been a big part of your life that you're suddenly looking at and thinking, do I really want that?

Is this really working? And I think that happens with one of the big things is friendships. Absolutely.

@1:44:45 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Especially with mothers. Coming from the mom's world, everyone is talking about how their friendships are changing. They're getting bored with old friendships.

Part of it is because their friendships are off. Often around their kids or friends or they're, you know, they're friends with people who are at the soccer field and they're feeling it because their, their friends are either growing beyond them or they are growing spiritually beyond where their friendships are at.

Yeah.

@1:45:20 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

And I think for our listeners, that's probably going to happen. Like the people that I'm interacting with are, they are growing spiritually.

They're growing personally, like they're developing personally and continuing to grow. And they're talking about that, about how they're, they're looking for women to have deeper connections with and having trouble finding that.

And that's a, that's part of midlife. Like that's part of what a lot of women go through is really coming to this.

It's realization that I want something deeper. I want more connection. I want... And that's also maybe why they question their career.

Is this really meaningful? This doesn't feel very meaningful anymore. Yeah.

@1:46:14 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Because they've been going through the motions for so many years. For so many years, especially... I know I'm a mother and I know this is the way that so many women feel, is that they're in the trenches with their children.

Yeah. So you can give the childless women's perspective on this in a second, but so many women feel like they're in the trenches with their children for so long that...

And they're so crazy busy that they don't have time to look for meaning in their life. Suddenly, they're like, I'm going to have so much more time now.

The kids are gone. I need to focus on myself. Now what? So they... And it's not necessarily conscious. It's a subconscious craving.

Yeah, I agree.

@1:47:04 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

It's not always in the forefront. It's sometimes just a craving for something, something different, something meaningful, something that feels more impactful.

@1:47:20 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Yeah.

@1:47:21 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah, and childless women go through. I, me too. I felt it even in my 20s. And yeah, just going to the childless perspective, there is like that, that's definitely there.

The so now what?

@1:47:40 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Yeah. I'm not gonna have children. So then, then what do I do? Okay.

@1:47:43 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah. All right. So going back to the other one, Jen, what we were one of the things that really can crop up in midlife.

And a lot of women will identify with this. It's the rage.

@1:48:01 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

I love this one. Because nobody talks about how to get through it. We just, a friend of mine was saying, one of our mutual friends was saying the other day, she's like, I thought it, and she's kind of through it.

She said, I thought it was going crazy.

@1:48:15 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah. Yeah, you just, it comes out of nowhere. Like something triggers you and you are flying off the handle and it feels irrational because you maybe don't even identify where it's coming from or what, like it feels like you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

But what's, what's really going on is that there's a mountain beneath the molehill. Like there's, I don't know what, what better metaphor to use for that, but there's, there's a deeper, there's a deeper reason.

It's like you tell your lemon story.

@1:48:56 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Well, I just, I got really upset with Sherwin because. Because he threw away a lemon. And thankfully, he had enough grace to go, Jen, is this really about the lemon?

We had kind of a laugh about it. And I knew, of course, it wasn't. There was something else beneath it that we then had a discussion about.

And at first, I couldn't figure it out. I was like, I don't know why I'm getting so upset about this lemon.

And that's exactly what makes you feel like you're going crazy. Because you're like, why am I so upset about a stupid lemon?

@1:49:32 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah. Because there's something deeper there. There was something that he was doing that it was touching on a nerve.

Something deeper. And that is really the crux of the – that's the source of the rage.

@1:49:51 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Well, the spiritual aspect of this is that that is sort of your soul. That is guiding, like these triggers start to come up in midlife because your soul is trying to guide you towards the personal growth, like guide you to dig into what is it about the lemon that's so upsetting.

Yeah. Because it is something that it's some belief about yourself that you've ingrained. It's a feeling unloved, feeling unworthy.

Like there's something that's beneath it. And that is the personal growth. That our midlife souls want. Yep.

@1:50:35 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

They're triggers. This is actually one of my favorite things to teach because it's so mind blowing. It can be.

And that's when you're, you know, somebody is going to throw out a lemon and you're suddenly flying off the handle.

Mm-hmm. think it's because of your partner or the person who's triggering you. think it's like they're the ones who are hurting you or doing something.

to can But it's actually something within you. It's touching on a nerve that is totally, like you can get to the source of that and release it.

And then whatever that is, quite often they're patterns, things that bother you over and over. They're hot buttons. You know, we always say, oh, our husbands, our children, they know exactly where our hot buttons are.

@1:51:25 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Yeah.

@1:51:27 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

And if you want to clear a hot button, it's not going to happen by asking the other person not to push it.

@1:51:36 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Right. You have to get rid of the button. So, yeah. And it's totally possible.

@1:51:41 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Like this is what it's, it's so much fun to teach because it's hard, but it's like to see people actually have the aha and realize where it's really coming from is, it's kind of priceless.

@1:52:00 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

I know, Sheri, and since I've been doing Theta Healing, which is this form of hypnosis, I have been digging even deeper into the core beliefs that, like we call it, it's like a pyramid of cards, where like you can get to the hot button, and then you can get to a layer underneath it, and we are getting to such a deep level of core beliefs, and then just releasing it, just like that.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. like, remember when I did that session with you recently, and you're just like, oh, I can't even access that belief anymore.

Yeah.

@1:52:37 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah, it's so cool. It's such a weird feeling, too, to just, just to be like, to have nothing there.

I know, it's like all this resistance just is gone.

@1:52:48 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

It's like this.

@1:52:50 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Okay, let's move on.

@1:52:51 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Yeah, so the last thing I wanted to say about that is just, so we call it rage.

@1:52:56 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

As you said, there's a physiological reason for it that we're going to get into. not you said, As As

But it's really this, it's rage at social injustices, and also potentially at something that's going on within you. So we will rage at, like, we will suddenly things that didn't bother us in our 20s and 30s, we will look at and be like, oh, that, that is not right.

I need to say something about that. I need to stand up for that. And like, it starts to come up in midlife.

@1:53:30 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

And the longer you hold that kind of stuff in, this is what I've learned through my teaching, when you hold in an opinion about especially an injustice, the longer you hold it in, the more likely it's going to be that it's going to explode.

Mm hmm. And if you're not used to voicing your opinion, because you've been a people pleaser all your life, it's gonna, it's so hard to then stand up for yourself and your opinion.

@1:53:59 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah.

@1:54:00 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

And then suddenly it does explode in a moment of rage over something completely different. Yeah.

@1:54:07 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Seemingly different. Yeah.

@1:54:09 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Yeah.

@1:54:09 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

And oh gosh, I could go on and on about that. Like just stifling your voice is, that's telling your true self that it's not worthy of being heard.

So you're perpetuating your own feeling of not being valued. Anyway, that's a whole other episode too. Okay, Sher, what else?

Well, I think this one that you and I were talking about earlier, the existential questions about maybe legacy or, you know, I think this is, this is the, to me this is, is this all there is?

Is this what I'm, like, what am I leaving behind? Is this really? with things you live So Like, is this, I think it's questions about life.

Like, it's why are we here? Like, if this is all there is, like now, because we're told that we're on the, we're on the downhill, right?

Like, you're over the hill when you hit 40. And so you're on, you're in the last chapter of your life, or the second half, it's really the second half of your life, but we're told it's the last chapter.

@1:55:22 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

And yeah, there's another societal message that's untrue. Yeah.

@1:55:28 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

And so we start, like, if you're on the downswing, like, what if you didn't do the big thing in the first half of life?

Then you're kind of like, oh, well, is this, is this it?

@1:55:42 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

You know, I was not lying awake at night going, is this it? But what I did feel and what I still feel is this need to, this sudden new inspiration to do something adventurous.

Or something different. Like, instead of this, it's linked to that feeling of going through the motions. Yeah, I'm suddenly like, I'm looking back on my life going, did I live a mediocre life?

I don't want to live a mediocre life. I want to do something big, which I suppose is partly why we launched this podcast.

And maybe it's also because I've been watching this show on Disney with Chris Hemsworth. From Who Plays Thor in the Marvel movies.

@1:56:32 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

yeah.

@1:56:33 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

And he just did this three-part documentary where he's like hit his 40s and he's looking at ways to keep your brain and your body alive.

Like, not just alive, but I forget the word they used. But so he's like, there's an episode where he learns how to play the drums.

And another one where he takes like a really huge risk and does this rock climbing feat that is like completely...

... ... ... And next to impossible. And I mean, he is Chris Hemsworth, but it's inspiring me. So maybe that's part of it, but it's awakening this spark that was already there that wants the adventure of my 20s in a new way and has me looking back on my life going, have I led a boring life?

I need to do something to change that now. yeah. And that I find is part of this spiritual growth.

And it is, it's like, feels like an existential crisis. Like I'm not existential, but it feels like a crisis and an awakening at the same time.

@1:57:40 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah. And then I think there's this other thing. I'm just thinking about that because there's this other thing that's like, have I done enough in my life?

And it's not just necessarily, and it's not just necessarily. Really adventure, but it could be business related or have I made enough impact in the world or like I started to feel very behind when I hit my fifties.

I was kind of like, I haven't, like, I haven't made enough impact in the world yet. And that felt to me like impact to me is legacy.

Legacy to me isn't my name on a building or my name carried on in my children because I don't have those.

So it's impact. I can't hear the dog, Sher.

@1:58:40 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Okay.

@1:58:41 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

So I think, have we finished that one? Yeah.

@1:58:47 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Is there anything else, that spiritual symptoms that midlife women might be feeling feeling?

@1:59:04 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

I think we've covered it. I think those are the really key ones. Yep.

@1:59:12 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

I think we have too. So then what is possible? What, how, what do we, like, is it possible to get through this?

Like, I know that most women are just kind of figuring it out. might be talking about it with their friends.

We don't have a lot of support for this. So is it possible to get through this and rise? Does it have to be a crisis?

Absolutely not.

@1:59:46 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

No, it's entirely possible. I think the first thing you and I talk about this all the time is awareness and just knowing, you know, perhaps our listeners after hearing this are starting to identify some of these symptoms.

And that level of awareness is, oh, okay, first of all, this isn't just me. This is a normal, this is something that a lot of women go through when they're in midlife.

And once you have this awareness, then you can start to do something about it.

@2:00:20 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Right. And if they do something about it, let's get to what that is in a second. But if they do something about it, like, what have you seen in your clients when they actually get through this?

@2:00:33 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

So, yeah, I think that's worth talking about is the, like, the counterintuitive thing is that you actually need to do something about it.

Like, you can't, what we try to do is just sort of flounder our way through midlife. We call it a midlife crisis.

And sort of flounder our way through and hope that it gets better. But if you actually stop and take some intentional.

Action. Tune in. A part of this is intuition. We didn't talk that much about that. It's tapping into, this is the part that I think a lot of people don't know how to do.

We've so, women especially, we have lost touch with our intuition. We've ignored it. We've quashed it. We've told it that it's, you know, logic and analysis and pros and cons are the way to go.

That's how you make decisions. And so we've lost touch with our intuition. And our intuition is what tells us what our soul really desires.

So we keep questioning that in favor of, well, that doesn't make sense based on, you what I can afford or what, or what, you know, where we're living at this time or what's possible.

And it limits us. Yeah. when you start to. Because are. Brain goes into the, how are you going to do that?

@2:02:02 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Right.

@2:02:03 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

But if we actually follow our intuition, if we actually tap into that and what our soul desires, and we start following it one step at a time, what I see in my clients is they do amazing things.

I have one client. I mean, all my clients, it's interesting because it felt like a side effect at first of my program.

And then I realized, oh, I'm actually doing something like we have a process that is leading to this. Yeah.

@2:03:10 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

So yeah, like I said, I thought this was kind of a side effect, but it was actually the result of a process that we were going through to tap into this.

And my clients were going off and doing all these wonderful things. One of them, for example, she was teaching music at a college level.

And maybe I told this story on a podcast before. Not this one. So was also a composer. She was sort of an amateur composer.

And she had stopped doing that because she started working, she started teaching, life got busy. And then by the time she finished the program, she was talking about what was next for her.

And she said, I'm going to start composing. And I kid you not, a year later, she and a group that she had become involved with were nominated for a Grammy Award.

@2:04:12 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

That's amazing. Yeah, it was only a year later.

@2:04:16 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

So she had like, like this had opened up for her. So I have countless stories of women doing things like that.

And it doesn't have to be big like that. But I mean, some of them have just decided to take a writer's course, completely different than what they were doing in their career and have just, they've started, one of them started a Substack account and wrote her first blog.

And that was like a big deal. Writing your first blog is a big deal.

@2:04:49 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

I mean, everyone seems to have a blog these days, but it's a big deal. It is.

@2:04:54 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

So the possibilities.

@2:04:55 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

I want to say something, Sheri, before you go on, I want to. Say something though, because I was telling that story about the composer to another midlife woman, a potential client the other day.

And she was like, she got kind of frustrated with it. She's like, I don't want to hear any more stories about these women who are doing great things.

And I don't know, I wanted to get your opinion on that. Because what I heard was from like, what I heard out of what she was telling me was, I'm still stuck in everything that I'm feeling, my grief, my doubts about my life, that she was unable to envision her future yet.

@2:05:43 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yes. An amazing future.

@2:05:46 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

And she's actually one of the people that said verbatim, I'm sick of living on autopilot. I want to experience life again.

But she doesn't know what that looks like. So for anybody out there listening to this, and you're feeling... I don't know, a twinge of envy or like rolling your eyes going, that's impossible.

I'm never going to do that thing that I really want to do. The message is that that is possible for you.

@2:06:16 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Yeah, and it doesn't have to be some big thing, some big great thing. It just needs to be what you want it to be.

Maybe can be, could be having more time in my garden.

@2:06:32 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Right.

@2:06:34 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

As much actually, as another client wants, that's all she wants.

@2:06:37 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

She's like, I just want to spend more time gardening. Yeah. Right now, right now that might change. So I guess that speaks to your message that you often talk about on purpose.

And that is like, your purpose is what do you want right now? What is your soul nudging you towards?

Maybe it's just spending more time in your garden. Mm-hmm. And that is possible.

@2:06:58 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

All right.

@2:07:01 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

With actually a few simple tweaks to your habits. Yeah, entirely.

@2:07:10 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

All right.

@2:07:11 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Yeah. Should we wrap this up? Yep.

@2:07:14 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

All right. So it's Jen here again.

@2:07:17 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Let me just summarize then. So we just talked about all the signs that your soul is craving something in midlife.

And as we said, there's not a lot of support out there for these symptoms. So most women are just trying to figure it out themselves.

And that's why midlife feels like a crisis. And as we've just said, there's good news. And that is that you don't have to figure it out yourself.

And that is exactly why we've included a spiritual and emotional component in our midlife red tent. We don't. We talk about the physical symptoms and all the mind stuff, the brain fog and all that stuff.

physical symptoms And we talk Talk about these spiritual triggers that are triggering you towards growth. We help you get through all of this.

So if that sounds interesting, click the link in the show notes to get more info on the Midlife Red Tent.

And I don't even know yet what we're talking about in our next episode.

@2:08:23 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

Nope.

@2:08:24 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

Oh, we are going to start talking about how to stop people-pleasing. Oh, yes.

@2:08:33 - Sheri Johnson (Sheri Johnson)

And perfecting.

@2:08:35 - Jennifer Reimer (virtuousradicals.com)

So stay tuned for that. I know a lot of you out there are people-pleasers and you would love to know how to stop.

So stay tuned for that episode. And thank you for listening. We are really excited that we're on episode eight, I think, here.

And we're really grateful that you've been coming along with us. We'll see you soon.